Vwb Chapter 3 Study

Part 1

As many of you may have gathered from my articles and charts, I've a passion for your Vegas Systems. In particularly, the 4hr Tunnel. The potential of that model absolutely ”cried” at me.

It gave me new focus and direction to my egies. We have engaged in discussions of V4T merits from the Lost in The Tunnel thread. Dials immense understanding of it is appliion has helped many of us. PF members have benefited from intense, thorough instruction of Dial's ”Knife” system dependent on the 4hr Model.

When I think ”life is great” and ”how could it be better?” Vegas, himself comes to answer questions in our forum and offers up his most astonishing file yet, THE VEGAS WEALTH BUILDER. Vegas you never cease to amaze me!

I use his guides to my charts and also the probabilities jump out at me. (without RSI, Bolinger Bands, Stochastics, Full Moons, Black Cats, Numerology, Harmonic Convergence.......ect.)

The VWB has me floored. We're all interested in further understanding of this intense record. I read the VWB discussion many times per day and several of you appear to be getting a grounding in the theories. I'm lagging somewhat in my integrating this system...... but I shall Persevere. The possible dictates I do this. But I digress....Back into the 4Hr Model!

I would never look a gift horse in the mouth but if anything were to bug me about the 4hr model it had been this: COUNTER-TREND STRATEGY. Or lack thereof. Observing an 8MA hook aligned with the existing Weekly Trend, then a follow through gain streak, It was necessary to wait for the market to fix. This correction would usually be powerful but there was no signal from the model to gain from the transfer. I would ride up the monster the bull hill but had no way to grab a ”keep” down from the trend. In case you followed the principles of the 4hr model, you know what I am Talking about. What was needed was a means to indie the ”exhaustion” of the move.

Voila! VWB.... .Thank you sir.

To make a Brief story long.... .

The general consensus is now the Black Dot tendency from the VWB, supercedes the Weekly Trend from the 4hr Model. This postulate has bugged me from the beginning. The Ability of the Weekly Trend in V4T is incontrovertible me. How is it negated or relegated to obscurity with the advent or instead discovery of the ”Black Dot” trend? (not withstanding it is own amazing power.)

A week or two, after the release of VWB (Jan 26 ,'06) I had been fortunate enough to clumsily input a black dot ”keep” trade. This profitable Trade stalled around the Daily Tunnel and merged. With half of my rankings closed for gain and the other half in BE, I had been in a word: stoked! While watching this ”consolidation” I noticed the 4hr weekly tendency was bullish and a textbook, primary V4 Tunnel commerce was forming so I set it up!

The lengthy haul triggered, I set on 3 full rankings, as I do in most main trades. I closed my staying shorts for gain. The Long haul sputtered, than took off with strength, across the 55MA and finally stalled just short of P1. (@159pips) retreated and that I had been Stopped outside at BE. OK. I am a bonehead. I should have covered some for profit. But this Discussion isn't about gain (in the strictest sense). This discussion is all about PROBABILITIES.

This ”Bear to Bull” back to back run eager me with the chance of the evasive Counter Trend plan for your V4T but I needed more Info, so I marked every V4T weekly momentum shift on my GBP/USD daily chart (VWB indies) back to 1996. I was taken aback at what I saw. I shared it with Dial and Vegas and got a positive reaction. Now I would like to discuss it with you. I am aware that a study of a single pair can be anecdotal. However I think you may agree that the probabilities presented here deserve attention if not respect.

Once again I'm still working on entries and exits. This discussion and connected charts will be about the seemingly powerful correlation between the ”V4T Weekly Momentum Trend” along with also the ”VWB-Black Dot Trend” whether aligned or opposing!

Have a Look!
https://forexintuitive.com/attachments/1518082175.jpg

Thank You for the explanation and the Graphs HJ

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......What I'm noticing is that there is just 1 instance from Feb 2002 to the present when a ”Black Dot Entry” crosses the Daily tube and finishes it's journey to the contrary ”take note” or ”extreme ” lines, when counter into the Weekly Momentum Trend. Most of the time it stalls and reverses someplace around the tube!

When the ”Black Dot” ”Weekly Momentum” is aligned the VWB entry tends to cross completely into the contrary extremes. Sometimes a Change in Weekly Momentum will change while a ”Black Dot” trade is in progress and additional influence the outcome ”mid movement”

once I explained this to Dial he likened into a mental picture of ”opposing winds in the dessert.”

I view it this way:

Weekly Momentum is a potent force that suggests that prices transfers in its leadership.

The ”Take Notice” or ”Extreme” lines are strong rubber bands which stretch till they can't take it any more then fling back the price towards the tube.

When these rubber bands ”let fly” counter together with the weekly trend, prices tends to get stalled at or around the daily tunnel. Having met with an opposing force.

When an entry off the extreme fibs is aligned with the Weekly momentum trend, this momentum tends to act as an ”aid” and helps to push prices to another extreme.
Lt;EDIT- I left just thrtake noice fibs on the graph below cause man it's busy!gt;

Looky!
https://forexintuitive.com/attachments/1518082177.jpg

Part 3.)



The Chart in the last article says that this hold accurate straight back to Dec 2004. I've since checked back much further and I tell you that this correlation is remarkable! As to implementation, I defer to your knowledge. This is brand new to me.

I can see where it can assist in gauging the probable strength of a move or maybe integrate into position/risk plans....... .And my Favourite COUNTER TREND 4HT ENTRYS

I need to plot more Pairs as time allows. When there is an interest I will post them

I shall attach a zip of all charts back to 2002 to your review.

Please let me know what you consider this study. And if you find that I am off base.

If I am wrong .........I plead Bonehead!

Great Trading All!


https://forexintuitive.com/attachments/1518082205.zip

HeavyJ!!

Outstanding presentation! Than when you discussed it last 11, better!

People, HeavyJ has really done his homework with this one! This is well worth paying attention to!

Great job HeavyJ!!

Dial

HeavyJ does this usually means people dont use the weekly trend.

So like we view cable is trading in the significant fib number. And when the 4 hour graph provides a signal to buy/sell we'll proceed with it and it most likely will tally with the VMB and turn into a winner. Is that right?

Interesting analysis HeavyJ.

Please keep this thread moving. The logic behind your analysis looks spot on to me utilising the early signals that Vegas's systems create harmony with the more dominant trend....that is unless I am a bonehead too !!!!

Great work

Cheers

Chris

Fantastic stuff j

Heavy J
Top stuff Man You're about to it
Cheers

Damn it, the bonehead virus is spreading reason I didnt really understand that your theory. So, basically, in the event the significant trend is upward, you would long the retracements using the 4HT system and you would short the exhaustations off the VWB system?

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Part 3.

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Please let me know what you think about this study. And if you find that I am off base.
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Good Trading All!

HeavyJ

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Hello HeavyJ
This is actually fantastic stuff and makes perfect sense.
Thanks for sharing.
Throughout next setup I will experiment with one extra lot. If my trade aligns with a trend along the way, I will leave 1 lot till per week is going to change to reverse direction.
Mark

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does so usually means that we dont use the weekly trend.

So like we view cable is trading at the important fib number. And when the 4 hour graph provides a signal to buy/sell we'll go with it and it probably will tally with the VMB and become a winner. Is that correct?

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Hi Jotty,

I can not and won't tell you what it means. I can tell you exactly what I see as I study and I will gladly. By all appearences that the Fib Band tension and the WM stress are just two forces that combat each other or could align with. Very Dynamic! Also we have to remember that Weekly Momentum lags, substantially.

Still.... In my chair, WM can't be overly discounted.

Hope this helps.

Chart below is standard to your Cable from my observations!

Best of Luck
HJ
https://forexintuitive.com/attachments/1518082180.jpg

Hi HeavyJ

Awesome!

We've only got ourselves a new tote

Keep us posted with your study

You do some fantastic charts

Thanks
Alan

Hi

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Chart below is typical for the Cable in my observations!

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A masterpiece!

You have done a great job of incorporating the 4hr and daily. It is only going to take me a week to backtrack through the transactions you have marked out So don't skimp on any examples!

Best regards
Alan

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HiA masterpiece!

You have done a fantastic job of incorporating the 4hr as well as daily. It's just going to take me a week to backtrack through the transactions you've marked out So do not skimp on any prospective examples!

Best regards
Alan

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Thanx Alan,

I look forward to your remarks, I've admired your backtesting prowess!
I will be Charting different monies as time permit. I will post here.

Thanx for the encouragement
HJ

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Damn it, the bonehead virus is spreading reason I didnt quite understand that your concept. Basically, if the trend is up, you would employing the 4HT system and you would?

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WTB- If you believe that might have a Bonehead Virus strain I suggest you get to the Doctor immediatley!

I contracted the Asian Bonehead virus a week which caused me to allow several 100 pip positions to stop out short the yen! I am better today.

If you're infected with this dreadful maladay the it has to be the Euro strain because ...I am not sure I understand your query.

It may just be an issue of disimilar syntax....talking oranges and apples, about the same thing. I often use from the Vegas Docs.

Maybe a chart would help.
Sorry

HJ

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Hi Jotty,

I can not and won't tell you what it means. I am able to tell you what I see as I research and I will happily. By all appearences that the Fib Band tension and the WM pressure are 2 forces which could align with or oppose each other in varying amounts. Quite Dynamic! We have to remember that Weekly Momentum lags, substantially.

Still.... From my seat, WM cannot be too discounted.

Hope this helps.

Chart below is standard to your Cable from my observations!

Best of Luck
HJ

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Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant! HeavyJ, your idea of marrying both different directional forces of the WM and the VWB in either opposing or aiding blends to get a sense of the prospect of bounce off the DT or penetration through it are very useful. You have struck gold with this one dude!

If this has been as reliable as your backtesting reveals, then counter-trend transactions of this V4T will add a whole lot to gains.

In my neck of the woods, just a guy who is built like arnold can get away with wearing a pink shirt. Just a guy who is brilliant can get away with calling himself a Bonehead! I am not sure I am clever enough to be a Bonehead, so can I be an Bonehead?

Dial

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.. .In my neck of the woods, just a man who is built like arnold will get away with wearing a pink shirt...

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LOL. Last week, I flew to Sacramento California to visit my parents. Upon arival in the Sac Airport I was greeted with T shirts with Arnold-as-the-Terminator using the caption:

THE GOVERNATOR
Just in the good ol USofA

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Wonderful! Absolutely brilliant! HeavyJ, your idea of marrying both different vertical powers of the WM and the VWB in helping or opposing blends to acquire a feel for the chance of bounce off the DT or penetration are useful. You've struck gold!

When this has been as dependable as the backtesting reveals, then counter-trend transactions of the V4T will include a lot to profits.

In my neck of the woods, only a guy who's constructed like arnold can get away with wearing a pink blouse. Only a man who's brilliant can get away with calling himself a Bonehead! I'm not sure I'm smart enough to be a Bonehead that is real, so do I be an honorary Bonehead rather?

Dial

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I'm with Dial on this, together with your insight and hard work, together with any luck we might all become Boneheads

Great job HeavyJ and thanks!

Quinn

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Wonderful! Absolutely brilliant! , your idea of marrying the VWB in aiding or opposing blends and both distinct forces of the WM to acquire a sense of the chance of bounce off the DT or penetration through it are very helpful. You've struck gold!

When this has been as reliable as your backtesting shows, then counter-trend transactions of this V4T will add a lot to profits.

In my neck of the woods, just a guy who's constructed like arnold can get away with wearing a pink blouse. So can get away with calling himself a Bonehead! I am not sure I am smart enough to become a genuine Bonehead, so do I be an honorary Bonehead rather?

Dial

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Thanx Dial, your enthusiasm and that of the others is validating.

However, in my neck of the woods it's simpler for a Bonehead to acquire Lucky than it's for a wimp to put on a pink blouse

Thanx also for your encouragement to go ahead and post these findings. Focus that has left me swimming with possibilities was necessary by preparing the presentation with this thread!

So far as I can see nothing here is counter to any Vegas Doc. In fact he has left doors open to this type of thinking.

I emailed Vegas this info last weekend, albeit not as focused as this particular thread. If anybody is interested here is his answer. (Vegas = E.F. Hutton)

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Brett,
yes, you're just right on the money. That's the reason why I updated in VWB the 4
hour. Because they enjoy it, some of us will stick to the original. I
like, that in the event that you trade with the 4 hour, then use the dailies in the fib
extremes.

I'm very happy you went back and did the work to verify. This will boost
your trading confidence when entering transactions. Remember the marble game.
You'll know what I mean after you read the new document.
-vegas

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Can we gleen from this that Vegas dismisses the WM? and what about Naomi? Tune in for much more....

Here's a shot of my approach to the Eur/JPY Last week.

Thanx again for comments and encouragement.

HJ
https://forexintuitive.com/attachments/1518082196.jpg

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Q :Can I Apply the Vegas daily tunnel to 4huor chart and use the overbought and oversold as the daily ??????? /

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Please test it and let us know how it works. I believe PIP Whisperer does something like this.

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If it is not to incredulus for me to inquire, what is your cause for the departure?

Thanks SMJones

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it depends on price action, but I have a tendency to exit on 8ma incline change.

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it depends on price action, but I have a tendency to exit on 8ma slope change.

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Thank you for your time. I am glad I am on the ideal track here. Have a fantastic
trading session. SMJ

touché

Whenever you have time, heavyJ check your mp. Thank you