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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    And, IMHO, when backtesting a method, we must follow the system, not to add discretion, unless discretion is part of this system. Otherwise it'll be testing our descretion rather than the system itself different tester will get different results.
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Well, that's precisely what I said isn't it Heres an idea, if you want results with this method you'll be able to get them yourself based on the principles of this mouteki process posted in this forum. My past trading results don't reflect accurate results of this program, only backtesting can as in live trades I enter and exit a lot differently than just based on this method within this forum. Consequently, if you want the absolute true backtested results of this system, you will have to do some work by yourself and wait to get it from anybody else. With this said, why dont most of us stop anticipating and start doing. You have all in your presence the layout of this mouteki method as published in this general forum. Not much more could be provided by me, so why don't you focus on what you have and flourish on it. You have the layout of this program so if you want results go figure them out, if you wish to know what currencies operate best, go figure it out. I believe you get the point I am attempting to make, or even let me know and that I can shed some more light on this topic, but for now I will keep it short and sweet so that I could get back to my productive work...
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    Thanks for your amazing contributions to this subject. I wonder what your feelings are on Back testing the Strategy after the Mouteki Post 1657. For some reason this post has gone mostly without comment by the community. Ahead of this Mouteki himself mentioned in a couple of his examples he didn't just stick to the principles of His System. IMO what he has shown is the Mouteki System is only a framework. Since he has not shared or given some hints as too how he trades through News Releases, Specific Market conditions or some of the other pitfalls that exist in the real time Forex market we cannot truly backtest this system. IMHO it's a waste of time.lt;ogt;lt;/ogt;

    That said he has given us enough to be successful. We just need to ch the Bull by the Horns and Wrestle the Bear.lt;ogt;lt;/ogt;

    We need to turn our attention to discovering good filters to ensure the highest success.lt;ogt;lt;/ogt;

  2. #12
    Now who had been those loudspeakers who had been wrestling down people when they stated this was not the holy grail? And that one was not appropriate to tamper with this artefact that is celestial?

    *Jumper muses...*

  3. #13
    You.



    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Now who were those loudspeakers who were wrestling down people when they stated this wasn't the holy grail? And that one wasn't right to tamper with this celestial artefact?

    *Jumper muses...*

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    You.
    Me?!! I have always been the victim!!!

    *SOB!!! *

  5. #15
    I discovered #1657 (see #1665), and I detected the need for filters in #1300.

    But before incorporating filters, I believe we ought to optimize a couple of parameters inside the parameters initially, 3 I can think of: ST, TP, and an offset from TL to recognize as a break. I already implement these parameters in my EA in EA mill and can utilize the computer to optimize them automatically against background data. Anyone got a quick computer and interested in doing so can go ahead and take action on different pairs. I am able to offer advice in case you don't know how to do it. I am just too busy answering questions today because the thread is running and up.



    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Aha;lt;? Xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice /gt;lt;ogt;lt;/ogt;

    Thanks for your amazing contributions to this subject. I wonder what your feelings are on Back testing the Method after the Mouteki Post 1657. For some reason that this post has gone largely without comment. Ahead of the Mouteki himself said in a couple of his examples that he didn't exactly follow the rules of His Procedure. IMO what he's shown is that the Mouteki System is only a framework. Since he's not shared or given any hints as too the way he transactions during News Releases, Specific Market conditions or any of the other drawbacks which exist in the real time Forex market we cannot really backtest this particular system. IMHO it's a waste of time.lt;ogt;lt;/ogt;

    That said he's given us enough to become prosperous. We Simply Need to grab the Bull by the Horns and Wrestle that the Bear.lt;ogt;lt;/ogt;

    We need to turn our focus to determining good filters to ensure the highest success.lt;ogt;lt;/ogt;

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    I noticed #1657 (see #1665), and I detected the demand for filters at #1300.

    However, before adding filters, I believe we ought to optimize a couple of parameters inside the parameters initially, 3 I can think of: ST, TP, and an offset from TL to understand because a break. I already implement these parameters in my EA at EA mill and can use the computer to maximize them automatically against history data. Anyone got a fast computer and interested in doing this can just go ahead and do it on distinct pairs. I can provide guie in case you don't understand how to get it done. I am simply too busy answering inquiries now since the thread is up and running.
    So basically this is EA #2765 that takes one traders procedure, optimizes a couple of parameters, adds a couple of filters and at the conclusion is utter trash. I wish you the best of luck.

  7. #17
    Hi TwinChell,

    I'm not saying that this will be prosperous, it's just something I like to try. The reason I wanted to optimize those parameters is because many trades in the backtesting were profitable in the beginning. They had been stopped out since the TPs were too far for them. Also some trades should be a huge winner but was stopped out only a couple of pips within the ST.

    Thanks for wishing me luck, same to you also.



    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    So basically this is EA #2765 that requires one traders procedure, optimizes a couple of parameters, adds a couple of filters and in the conclusion is utter crap. I wish you the very best of fortune.

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Hi TwinChell,

    I am not saying this is going to be successful, it's just something that I like to try. The reason why I wanted to maximize those parameters would be because many transactions at the backtesting were profitable at first. They were stopped out because the TPs were too far for them. Also some transactions should be a big winner but has been stopped out only a couple of pips over the ST.

    Thank you for wishing me luck, same to you also.
    Aha
    Aha,
    Your doing just what you should be doing. When Mouteki began this thread he left it sould like his system was mechanical. Now that he's confessed its not why would you exchange it like that? I'm quite interested in your findings. Thanks for your hard work.

  9. #19
    I began to examine the backtest of mouteki and found signs, that in the event of a mechanical trading system will be bad. Maybe if we have more examples like this one, we can figure out why not all signals are great.

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  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
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    I think you used a Classic DTL!! Can you put an arrow or mark in some way the point at which you opt to go into a trade? It would be easy to follow them.
    I have read (from vegas) that the GBP/USD pair is a somewhat volatile pair.
    My guess is that mouteki's system functions and is created for volatile pairs.
    The fact that he sets his stoploss at 10 pips (after the 40 pip motion ) implies mouteki expects a lot of volatility in the pair. Raise the stoploss and he has stopped too frequently and loses the large gain. Lower the stoploss and losses that are substantial are taken by him.

    For a volatile pair, I'd think going in with numerous lots, state 3 lots and carrying them off for partial profits at particular points (say 33% and 65 percent of those pip projection) would increase the losses, if not turn them into profits.

    We can still maintain the 10 pip stoploss or having removed partial profits, lower the stoploss in hopes to get its homerun trade. I think, however lowering the 10 pip stoploss would be tampering too much with mouteki's egy, especially since we're trying to learn it.

    Anyhow has anybody analyzed with several lots?
    Can anybody test with many lots?

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